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Sticking a Finger in the Eye of Montgomery Village Democracy

Democracy in Montgomery Village ticked upwards with the confirmation of all four candidates for the MVF Board election at its January 9 meeting despite an unpleasant incident that took place involving a prominent MVF Board member. I would like to commend some real heroes who took a stand in winning back democracy in Montgomery Village. Chaired by dutiful MVF Board member Dennis Clark, the Nominating Committee confirmed all four applicants as candidates for the 2013 MVF Board election. 

You might ask, why is this so heroic? It is heroic because MVF Board President Bob Hydorn made an improper appearance at the candidate confirmation meeting, ambushed me immediately upon my arrival urging the committee to deny my candidacy, then withered under my ensuing rebuttal, failed to make the case, left empty handed, and claimed to be acting as an individual not as MVF Board President. Kudos to the Nominating Committee for not being intimidated and confirming the candidacy of all of this year’s applicants. These committee members are the heroes in winning back democracy in the Village. 

Short lived, democracy in Montgomery Village has now taken a tick downwards. In his ”Time to vote in Montgomery Village” blog, MVF Board President Bob Hydorn is again sticking a finger in the eye of democracy in Montgomery Village when he urges people to vote... and then tells them whom to vote for.

Again the question must be asked, "Is Bob Hydorn speaking as an individual resident or is he speaking as the President of the MV FBoard." When speaking as President of the MVF Board, there are expectations, one of them being that he represents the views of MVF Board. 

The question can be answered by reviewing the President's Message in the February 1, 2013 MV News on page 5 from which the bulk of the language for this blog was drawn except that here he did not presume to tell Village residents whom to vote for. In his MV News President's Message, Bob Hydorn was clearly speaking from his position on the MVF Board. Since the language on this blog is largely verbatim, the conclusion is that Bob Hydorn was speaking for the MVF Board.

It is improper for the MVF Board to conduct a free and open election while at the same time its President is working to tilt the results in this manner. Once again, democracy in Montgomery Village is being trampled upon. 

 I call upon Bob Hydorn to publicly declare whether he launched this blog as an individual resident or as the President of the MVF Board. 

just me

11:38 am on Friday, February 8, 2013

Don, in my opinion it really does not matter whether he writing as a resident or the President of MVF Board. He is a public figure in MV and as such (due to a good taste and being ethical) he should not list these names. He is not a celebrity promoting people, but a person who wants to get "old same falks" in his team to run MV (which by the way it is not run the right way). That is plain wrong.

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Pete Claey

1:21 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

just me, You need to look around Montgomery County. The Mayors of Gaithersburg and Rockville both publicly supported their friends and colleagues for their council elections. That is a problem?

Jim Chris

11:58 am on Friday, February 8, 2013

Don... Quit rocking the boat on the Good ol' Boys Club. New and progressive ideas aren't allowed.

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Pete Claey

1:17 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

Jim, It looks like these 3 people are looking at new and progressive ideas, not the old no atttitude of Don.O'Neill.

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just me

12:21 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Pete these 3 people have been around for ages and look where MV is now. So either they were doing their job before or had no vision before, or they have the vision now just to be elected. I am tired of the look, policies, huge EGO, crimes, deteriorating houses and more in MV. Let;s move forward with new ideas and new people.

Sharon

1:39 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

"The Mayors of Gaithersburg and Rockville both publicly supported their friends and colleagues for their council elections." The only difference is they don't get out there publicly via Village News & PATCH & (claim to) as in MVF case 'encourage' all residents to run for office or join committees; then, if they don't like them (for diverse opinions, etc.), send in the 'troops' to cut candidate to pieces! Who would want that! A masochist! Who would want to run for office knowing they aren't 'one of the favored children'!

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Don O'Neill

2:15 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

Sharon,the mayors of Gaithersburg and Rockville are adults and don't require continuous adulation and obedience from their supporters. MontgomeryVillage hasn't been so lucky lately.

The real question is, "What type of person would tolerate support from such a leader?"

Pete, you mentioned new and progressive ideas. Could you please list some of these along with their authors?

Pete Claey

2:35 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

Sure Don, Their new progressive ideas are included in reports from committees they have all been on. Sharon Cranford worked on the Vision 2030 the long range committee Audit committee looking to the future, Scott Dyer as a Board member worked on the long range committee, communication committee 2030 Vision Committee all looking forward, Elena Peterson was on the Vision 2030, Long Range committee, Recreation Committee, and President of South Village, looking to the future. I got these from the Village News. What committees and homes corporations have you served on? What new and progressive ideas are you presenting? I really wanted to have my landlord vote for you, but the way you have been sounding and acting I just can’t.

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Sharon

3:07 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

I might add, Pete, credentials stated aren't always worth the paper (documents) they are written on. Nathans Hill, i.e. has never had adequate oversight. Maintenance issues (just normal, expected care of homes; no big architectural changes) have been ignored & neglected for years. So much so that that one community resembles a deteriorating government housing projects. So I take little interest in what someone might 'list' on their bios as 'having belonged to or served on'. Prefer to base on whether or not any accomplishments, even minute steps have occurred. In this one community no such steps.

Don O'Neill

2:49 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

Pete,

You listed activities. I expected you to list new and progressive ideas.

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Sharon

3:27 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

I take part of what I said back in previous or will deflect from making the name 'government housing project' sound in any way like a slur. My parents basically lived in a government housing project when my dad reentered civilian life after WWII. The homes were called rowhouses then rather than the 'fancy word' used today, townhomes. {Fancy names were not important to them; maintained homes & close neighbors/friends working together, looking out for each other were their priorities!) And they had no HOA's back then. People had very little but they took pride w/o having to pay a Homeowners Association to 'get on their backs'. We have an HOA who mandates fees; yet still don't enforce oversight. Something terribly wrong when every resident is expected (under penalties) to pay fees. I will be quite pleased when & if MVF & HOA's take this issue alone seriously. You want the Village to 'flourish' in a positive sense; then bring most, if not all, the communities up to acceptable standards. Don't keep making that platform before election a 'broken promise' that goes by the wayside after election is over! If just one candidate can promise me that, I'll see if I can beat the system and vote for you 6000 times!!!

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Allison Rawlings

3:32 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

The only thing that I want to say about the MVF election is that the verbiage being thrown around on Patch is just what Sharon said above, not worth the paper it is written on or in this format typed on. We have received 2 flyers at our door for the slate running. They seem to be out there working in hopes of winning. If Bob Hydorn wants to endorse someone on Patch that is his right, he did not endorse anyone in the Village News. Sharon you have every right to endorse Don O’Neill on this patch. I think you all need to end this worthless chatter and work for what you want, get out there and do something

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Sharon

4:09 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

Not endorsing anyone, Allison! Just perceive these blogs as 'ways and means' to light fires or practice 'cut throat' pre-election tactics! I don't know 'bout you but this turns me off in voting for any of them. I'm voting for Charlie Brown! LOL!

Ed Nigma

6:06 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

Don,

I call upon you to make a campaign promise to never run again when you're not elected in this election. Further, when not elected, to retire your soap box of "Don-centric" ramblings, and spend some time in the fresh air and work on your tennis game.

The Patch blogs are just that, a public soap box, that you've stood on just as many times as Mr. Hydorn, to state your opinions. They are just that, OPINIONS...did you miss that part? Do you think the Patch has made you a reporter, and that these Blogs are news reporting? It just shows you're simply out of touch. Mr. Hydorn speaks his opinions, and you in turn continue to state yours. Mr. Hydorn owes you no response nor has done anything wrong. He hasn't even mentioned anything about. Clearly, he nor others like myself, wish to vote for you; you're nothing but backward and negative, and provide no vision, just complaints.

I agree, I met one of the candidates in my neighborhood, and they actively are meeting residents and wanting to earn votes. Where is Don? Oh, wait, in front of his PC recording more youtube videos about how miserable his life is in the Village; yep, that's who we all want representing us, someone who can't find one good thing about the Village. I'm sure he won't come by, since he might actually hear that people don't agree with him.

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Sharon

11:19 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Curious, Ed! Is that indeed your real name or is there a play on words here? Enigma: .A person or thing that is mysterious, puzzling, or difficult to understand. If so, quite clever in keeping real identity secret. If real name, I so apologize for suspecting desire for anonymity. Would hope w/all you have had to 'express' on this blog that you would be aboveboard & give you real name. Hummm! I would be equally curious as to true identify of Whatajoke 'cause I so agree w/"rubber stamp" statement.

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just me

12:29 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Ed - I find your post just rude. To begin with - you keep referring to Don as Don and to Bob as Mr. Hydorn. Please look around and tell me that current reps. are doing what they were suppose to do. I don't think you are right, unless you live in this wholly places where all the village "kings" live. That I would agree - I would not want to see any change, simply because you guys have what you pay for. Some communities don't. We have not seen any changes in years. We are not heard when we ask for things. Please read other posts by people who have been frustrated with current "village celebrities". Nothing is done in these communities. So when I hear that people have vision and that there is vision for the village for 2030 and these people have been around for so long - I am asking myself - Didn't they have vision for the village 10 years ago?

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Don O'Neill

4:04 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Ed,

You started to say something? "He hasn't even mentioned anything about." Please complete your thought.

Whatajoke

7:04 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

I am neutral regarding Don O'Neill's candidacy, but the "slate" is a bunch of toadies ready to rubber stamp anything Hydorn wants. He is ruining MV and most of you are completely fooled. He is a vindictive, evil person.

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Sharon

9:24 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013

And the sarcasm prevails! I mentioned years back that the Foundation was becoming way too political. {Take a survey & see just how many 'normal families' in the Village really care or have time to 'play politics' or have aspirations to be center attention on the State Assembly floor!} Well, it has unfortunately far exceeded that 'opinion & perception'. {Please note I said 'opinion' so you don't go off half cocked in a quest to protect 'The Brotherhood'!} It has become 'Dirty Politics'. I sure hope that some of those making comments & 'requests' don't go through life w/people convincing them that they are always 100% wrong & that they NEVER have ideas, concepts, opinions, DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES THAT BRING ABOUT DIFFERENT OUTLOOKS, etc that are worthy of some validation or, at least, worthy of 2% recognition. No one can be 'all bad'!!!

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Sharon

11:42 am on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Oh, Don, please tell me it isn't so! Not after Bob gave someone hell in past PATCH articles for not have the 'intestinal fortitude' to identify themselves. If what you are saying is true, I'm crushed. LOL!

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Alice Rogers Hydorn

3:08 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Mr. O'Neill...I learned long ago that getting into a "pissin' contest with a skunk" is a singularly unpleasant experience. I have neither the time, nor the inclination to spar with you in person OR on an insignificant online outlet. I do, however, know when I have been libeled through your insinuation and sarcasm. No sir... alas, I am not Ed Nigma. I am flattered, however, that you feel I might write with such grace and clarity. As you have been reminded before in public forums....I speak for myself, I speak my mind. Use or insiunate my complicity in your game again and you will be facing a libel suit.

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Pete Claey

4:46 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Don, Your comments attacking Alice Hydorn once posted are always on Patch. You removed them but remember anyone that posts on a blog receives an update email copy of all postings to that blog. What a super posting by Alice. Looks like you met your match or was it her legal threat that finally got your attention?

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Sharon

5:27 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Not to burst anyone's bubble. Juast sayin'! But these blogs are pretty much a free for all as long as no outright threats or profanity. Seems to be no complaints or threats whatsoever when one person is outright attacked, belittled, etc for different point(s) of views. But suddenly becomes legal issue when a first name is used (check phone directory 'cause there are many w/that same 1st name) or mere insinuation rather than direct statement of accusation. Timeout, folks!

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Sharon

7:02 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Just FYI for anyone posting on blogs which we all realize are public information sites.:
http://www.toplawfirm.com/whatisdefamation.html
" Further, the statement of an opinion generally will not constitute defamation, since it is not offered as a statement of fact."
"A statement is not defamatory just because it is false, even if it arguably casts the person in a bad light"
"Defamation occurs when someone makes a false, unprivileged statement about someone to a third party, which attacks the person's professional character or standing, claims that an unmarried person is unchaste, claims the person has a sexually transmitted disease, or that the person has committed a crime of moral turpitude." So far I am having difficulty seeing any of these stipulations on any PATCH blog I have ever read unless there is someone out there who wants to 'admit' to such. Then this blog will get 'very interesting'! LOL!

Derek Hale

5:50 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

An observation –

Don – the Patch can only show five blogs at a time on the main page.

After that they drop off and you have to click More Patch Blogs >> to see them and/or search them.

You seem intent on having a blog being posted on the main Patch page at all times with your name and picture for some reason.

Then, each time your blog moves off the main web page, you start another one, this latest one started on Feb 8. Again, to be prominently posted on the front of The Patch.

Concentrate on the issues, not being in front of your computer. Move with your feet and your actions in the community and not with a keyboard.

The other three candidates are out there speaking to residents and/or leaving flyers with their positions. I had one candidate here today at my door on a Saturday asking about my issues and sharing viewpoints.

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just me

6:20 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Derek - true - they walk around - but frankly - this is the only time I see them around my house in MV. So when they look for votes, they come to forgotten places, and that's about it. We don't see them, hear from them after that. This is the only time you can see the "celebrities". Unless of course you live in the wholly spots in the village. May I ask where you reside? I am sure it is NOT south village.

Derek Hale

6:46 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

It is not South Village, therefore I especially then encourage Don, Scott, Elena and Sharon to be in those communities and actively give their views (and their observations of conditions there that affect residents).

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Sharon

7:36 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

Quote from Derek: "....actively give their views (and their observations of conditions there that affect residents). Been pleading (literally) for them to do that for decades. Deaf ears seemed to have preferred we reach 'the terminal condition'. Hummm!

Sharon

7:17 pm on Saturday, February 9, 2013

To Just Me: You 'hit the nail on the head!!!! It's been that way for 31 years! Do any of us think that will change! Rhetorical! We have literally turned into what could be considered 'Hospice Care' if even that!

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Pete Claey

8:48 pm on Sunday, February 10, 2013

Don, In case you didn't realize how Patch works, here is your comment about Alice being Ed Nigma prior to your changing it after she took you on.

Don O'Neill also commented on Sticking a Finger in the Eye of Montgomery Village Democracy.
"Alice, You started to say something? "He hasn't even mentioned anything about." Please complete your thought."

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Derek Hale

1:01 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

From the Tuesday, Jan 22 MV Candidates' Forum:

Alice Hydorn - I have one comment. My name is Alice Hydorn.
I was under the impression that this was a Candidates’ Forum
where individuals could ask questions and receive answers from
the people who are sitting at the front table. I am sitting really far
from my husband tonight because the last time I dared to stand up
and ask my own question I was accused of being a mouthpiece for
my husband. I feel that is important to put it in the record that
this is supposed to be a question and answer period, not a time for
individuals at the front table to take cheap shots at people who are
sitting in the audience. I request that Mr. O’Neill withdraw his
statement.

Don O’Neill
Do I hear a question? Would you restate the question?

Pam Bort
Ms. Hydorn requested that you withdraw the statement
you made regarding her husband’s spelling of the word
flourish.

Don O’Neill
No, because you can go on Patch.com and see what transpired.
Yes, that was a little bit of a needle. I give Bob a lot of
credit for a lot of things. Bob knows that there are pluses
and minuses, well, that is one of the minuses. Sorry, Alice.

Alice Hydorn - Well I don’t believe you are, sir.

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Don O'Neill

9:17 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

My question is this, "How was Pam Bort able to decipher a question from this resident's rant?"

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Pete Claey

10:20 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Could it be that Ms. Bort is far more astute than yourself Mr. O’Neill? As for Ms. Hydorn ranting as you say she did, I do not read what was said and by the way recorded, to have been spouting off at you. I see her comments as being directed at you for being so obnoxious and disrespectful to others, yes including her husband.

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Don O'Neill

5:49 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Who was it that said, "... this is supposed to be a question and answer period"?

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Pete Claey

6:04 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

The MVF Election committee, have you not read the guidelines?

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Derek Hale

6:20 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Don, back to the Tuesday, January 22 MV Candidate's Forum, you stated:

"Flourish. Our President of the Montgomery Village Foundation stumbled over the very spelling of our brand. If you can’t spell it, you can’t sell it. "

Are you referring to an online comment or electronic post or something in print?

Many of us frequently make a typo in posting something via our smart phone or a quick post on our laptop or other device. If it was something in print, yes then both the author and the editor of the publication should have corrected that simple mistake.

“You’ve got a friend in me.” - Your slogan. The word "friend" meaning contact, pal, colleague. An admirable slogan.

You make a simple typo as well which is easy to do. Here is your typo:

“You’ve got a fiend in me, now the definition changes which is "person of great wickedness" - and I am just quoting the word fiend from the Merriam Webster dictionary. I do not mean to attribute this to you, this is from the dictionary.

Do you see how a simple typographical error can change so much?

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Don O'Neill

9:54 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Pete,

Wrong answer! The statement, "… this is supposed to be a question and answer period", appeared in the resident's rant posted verbatim by Derek above. Despite knowing this, the resident did not pose a question. How was Pam Bort able to decipher a question from this resident's rant?

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Pete Claey

2:25 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Don, The statement was as printed above "I feel that is important to put it in the record that this is supposed to be a question and answer period, not a time for
individuals at the front table to take cheap shots at people who are
sitting in the audience. I request that Mr. O’Neill withdraw his
statement." Is that not the question Ms. Hydorn asked of you?
Rant? I read it as a comment and question.You really know how to spin it.

Don O'Neill

10:07 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Derek,

Yes, as an electronic post. As you pointed out again, Bob Hydorn did misspell "Flourish", the Montgomery Village brand. This appeared in the Scott Dyer promotional Patch blog in which you were a participant. Here's why it's a problem.

The Flourishing brand initiative spent $10,000 in 2012 to initiate and promote its use internally within the Village. Another $40,000 expenditure is planned for 2013 to promote the brand externally across the region. Care must be taken in promoting a brand and protecting this investment. Misspelling the brand only jeopardizes all that.

On "friend" versus "fiend", good pickup. You live by the sword; you die by the sword. Well done!

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StevenBarnes

11:59 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Why don't you all get a life? Screw the spelling. Get over the nasty comments. Try to work together and improve the Village. Don, Sharon, Pete, Derek, all of you, how about we see you on committees working, instead of running your mouths on here?

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Pete Claey

2:26 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Steven, Not a bad idea. Any takers as well as myself?

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Don O'Neill

3:00 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Steven,

In the past eight days I have attended the following community meetings dealing with external threats and impacts to Montgomery Village:
1. Greater Goshen Civic Association meeting in opposition to M83 Option 4 Modified with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) on February 5.
2. Nike Missile Site meeting at Lake Marion CC on Preliminary Plans and Environmental Assessment on February 11.

Other candidates vying for a position on the MVF Board did attend these meetings. One of these candidates made it clear at the Candidates Forum that he preferred to devote his energies to internal issues which the MVF controls.

Unfortunately, we are entering a period where the real issues facing the Village are external. Montgomery Village must be able to anticipate, avoid, withstand, and mitigate the adverse affect they impose.
1. Government affairs issues with the County and State include Town Sector Zoning, Gaithersburg East Master Plan, M83 Midcounty Selection, Goshen Road widening, Webb Tract development, and Lake Whetstone dredging.
2. Business development issues involve the Nike Site, Golf Course, Professional Center, Shopping Center, and Watkins Mill Development.
3. We need to promote an economic development environment for the community businesses that serve the residents of Montgomery Village.

As a candidate for a position on the board, I am well equipped and committed to attacking these challenges on behalf of Village residents.

Derek Hale

2:04 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

As for Steven's comments above, I have done so in the past and may do in the future as well. Job, family and other issues are all items that fall into those who can volunteer their time.

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Sharon

9:29 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

As for me, I look forward to Steven volunteering & seeing him in all those neighborhoods in the Village that have been ignored. May nominate him for MV President if he can be one of the 1st to recognize SV as existing and in need since he mentioned how much his representatives do for him when it 'comes to getting what he wants' (in his community). SV would be happy not necessarily to have our 'wants' fulfilled but for what we 'need' to bring communiities up to living standards. Curious though to know how long Steven has lived in the Village & what HOA his community falls under. But I really don't expect an answer to that 'cause I am sure he is taking his own advice & spending less of his time as well making comments on PATCH blogs. LOL!

Shirley Bowers

3:50 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I have to say that I mailed my ballot today all signed properly for the 3 postive attitude candidates. Good luck Ms. Crandford, Mr. Dyer and Ms. Peterson.

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Derek Hale

12:23 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Please remind your friends if they have not yet completed and turned in their ballot, there is still time.
March 1 at 5:00 p.m. is the closing of balloting. The ballots will be counted on Saturday morning, March 2.
Ballots may be mailed back in (they are postage paid) or dropped in the secure mailbox at the MVF parking lot.

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Don O'Neill

9:44 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

On the Candidates Forum video Mike Conroy, MVF Director of Communications, reports, "The video is still available on YouTube, and there is a scrolling alert still advertising it on the MVF website. I’ve also added a menu item for it under 'Village Governance'. The full transcript is still in the Village News, available on the Village News page, as well as in print, by request from the office. Additionally, residents have been reminded numerous times in the Village News and on Facebook and Twitter to vote, submit on time, etc. There will be one final online push next week to collect as many votes as possible."

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Derek Hale

5:08 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

This is a reminder that the MVF Board of Director ballots will be counted on Saturday, March 2 at 9:00 a.m. at the Montgomery Village Foundation office.

Any and all individuals are welcome to attend to watch the ballot counting process.

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Sharon

1:05 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Time to revisit w/another Spring and Summer approaching making such a total of 32 yrs where the parents & children of ostracized area of the Village have no place to take their children within 'safe walking distance.
Not one of those running for office mentioned long, overdue interest or concern that reality. Not one candidate stepped up to the plate putting 'children of the Village' who reside near Lake Whetstone as priority. Has been hush hush since meeting regarding playground w/apparently the hope that this parent/grandparent would suddenly forget the 'needs of children'. Sorry but that hasn't happened no matter how silent my representatives remain on this topic.
So, it will be another summer where children of Dockside, Mill Race and Nathans Hill find no other play equipment but the improvised use of mailboxes, street signs, & residents' brick walls & fences as 'playground and means of exercise'.
Shame on all of you for dusting this 'need' under the carpet during all your political bio boasting(s), repetitive platform promises (that seem to go by the wayside after ballots are counted) & rants and raves particularly on PATCH.
Think of the accolades as well (since there are some on Board who have been shown to have exaggerated egos) how much praise and 'glorification' you would receive if such a playground was constructed @ Lake Whetstone & one that incorporated play equipment as well that accommodated those children in OUR VILLAGE who are physically disabled!!!!

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Derek Hale

12:55 am on Friday, March 1, 2013

Sharon,

Food for thought here. Have you thought about a "wish list" of equipment you would like (keeping in mind a reasonable budget) for that area?

Often (in the Village and other communities as well, we are not immune), playground areas tend to sometimes (I say "sometimes" as always is not the case and in some areas, never) turn into "hangout areas" for older teens afterschool and that is intimidating to the younger children to which they are intended. Outside of the parents (older than the teens obviously) being with the children, do you see any thoughts on the children attending the area unattended?

I am neither a parent or grandparent so your thoughts are better on this particular subject.

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Sharon

9:48 am on Friday, March 1, 2013

Derek, this retiree hoofed it one Saturday and passed out flyers to over 200 homes and even got councilman involved. Ordered playground catalogs from 4-5 different companies to cart in wheel carry-on bag because 30 plus catalogs were so heavy. Had copies of those catalogs for each and every member on the Board. Well, most were returned to me after that meeting 'cause only two on board at least at the decency to feign interest & actuallytook catalogs home. According to one of the attendees (who was once active in ecological committee but later ousted...ah, they love to create new committees in a heartbeat)...that cold metal turtle & dolphin @ Lake Whetstone were play equipment. Say what again?!!!! Then there was 'discussion' to bus kids out of communities to other playgrounds 'throughout' the County. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Tis a longer story than that but painful to dwell on the 'bizarre'!!! As far as 'unattended', no child should be left unattended ANYWHERE. But, at least the stay-at-home mothers in this area would have some place safe to walk without taking sometimes as many as 3-4 small children (two at the hip; one in a stroller or carriage) in tow across 'very busy' Village Avenue to trek like a caravan to South Village Park .

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Sharon

10:11 am on Friday, March 1, 2013

And, if the Foundation can post very large sign (you pay by the 'letter") w/ regs re precious, overdone dock & paddle boats that I continue to witness get very little use (& certainly not living up to Foundation's reasoning for spending so much money, that such would bring folks to the Lake & monies for massive renovation would be recouped), they can sure post a sign regarding playground w/age restriction, etc. If not adhered to, then security would have authority to disband hangers-on (teenagers or even delinquent adults). How can that lake attract many when there is nothing there to entice them to spend any considerable family time. Hey, let's take our 2-3 yr old there & watch him or her fall off dock into Lake Whetstone or fall out of a paddle boat. That's sounds like a 'fun day' for all! And time for children to take priority over geese no matter how pretty those birds might be, ya know! We have FOWL. How 'bout FOFSVK?! Friends of Forgotten South Village Kids! By the way, Derek, before that mtg to discuss playground, I even contacted MC School system & was provided statistics (by age & grade) of the numbers of kids in this specific area of the Village. Numbers were 'high' & they only included those who rode the bus; not those transported to and from school by their parents. Homework was seemingly waste of time 'cause MVF had its heels dug in (prior to meeting & since) that no playground would 'desecrate' the socalled 'aesthetic' of Lake Whetstone.

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Sharon

10:32 am on Friday, March 1, 2013

I can't resist (as usual), Derek, chiming in w/one last comment. LOL! Chatty Cathy! But it is a shame when the Powers That Be find the 'laughter and joyful play' of children aesthetically 'displeasing' @ Lake Whetstone!!!! To many 'old farts' who sadly have forgotten what it is like to be a child are running the Village! I'm not talking about activities in the Village where most cost a 'registration fee'. Most in this area do not have the money! I am referring to the 'free, entitled play activity that requires only the vivid imagination of a young child...where play equipment becomes a fortress or a castle or a mountain to climb. And a place for gathering, neighbors meeting neighbors w/shared primary interest (family) & where young children enjoy the socialization with their peers.

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LenGray

10:36 am on Friday, March 1, 2013

Sharon, Just maybe with some new people on the MVF Board they will support Bob Hydorn who tried to move such a playground forward before. At least there is a chance now, that some going off the board that live next to the park won't have a say. That one guy was always a naysayer because of crime and perverts. I hate taking my grandson there having only an old concrete turtle to play on.

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Sharon

11:42 am on Friday, March 1, 2013

I think you are giving too much credit where credit is not due when it comes to individual trying to move playground forward. Had you been at the playground mtg, LenGay, you would have found that socalled 'on board' support for playground by that one individual as a 'contradiction of terms' from what he said @ that particular meeting i.e. "most communities are removing their playgrounds". But I refuse at this time to revisit that 'shock and disappointment' on my part when the impression via communications (both emails & chatting online) was he was all for playground but "SVHC is opposed". Not to mention public comment on PATCH that this individual's neighborhood 'had a playground' and basically dig @ 'what more does this woman want'. Then I receive 'private message' that he wouldn't take a dog to the Tot Lot that was in one specific community. To this day, I am waiting for a public apology since remark that I was somehow asking for too much was publicly displaced on PATCH. Needless to say, I never really expected a humble apology. Appears what is said in private and what is said in public are two different things & I have a very low tolerance for those who speak with forked-tongue or play politics! Trust for one's word goes right out the window for me. If that is too cryptic for you, Len, it is only because it is not worth time & effort to revisit the hypocrisy.

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just me

10:39 am on Tuesday, March 5, 2013

LenGray,
Unfortunately Bob Hydorn was against the playground around the lake. He appeared at the meeting with other representatives about playground (same meeting when Sharon brought all the brochures etc), meeting which I attended as well. He was shouting loud and clear that there will never be a playground there, and what's more he suggested to remove other playgrounds.
Also another member of the winning "hydorn" team (won't mention the name here) was shouting at a meeting before that, that there is no budget for playground - period. I am sorry to bring it up, but it seems to be (after 7 years of asking for the playground) that your grandson will be a grown up man with own children, and the playground still won't be there.
Also as a remark - I moved out to a different community - and we have 3 beautiful playgrounds around - all 3 renovated within last 6 months. In other communities, you don't need to ask for neccesities.

LenGray

10:51 am on Friday, March 1, 2013

Sharon, I sure hope that Don O’Neill does not win a place on the MVF board. We might never see anything new, fun or exciting in the park. I just read the Village News on line and that guy is complaining about the number of volunteers. Bob Hydorn is wrong again according to him. I volunteer at my church in Montgomery Village as lots of people do, they volunteer at the schools, at the MVSA, all those types of groups. It has to be several thousand volunteers.

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Sharon

11:45 am on Friday, March 1, 2013

I have voted every year, Len. But I am not sure this go around which Curly, Larry or Mo deserves my vote this year since what is proclaimed during 'political campaigns' & highlighted in (over-exaggerated) bios never seems (at least for this forgotten end of the Village) to come to fruition. Or should I say TRUE-ition?!!!!

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Don O'Neill

12:20 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Len,

The point of my letter to the editor of the MVF News is that the MVF Committees need to be revitalized.

The Village faces a shortage of volunteers needed to populate its many committees. However, residents appear reluctant to undergo the MVF Board scrutiny associated with volunteering to serve on a committee.

What is needed to stimulate and reinvigorate volunteerism in Montgomery Village is to accentuate a policy for open committee membership coupled with the promise of an independent committee operation.

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Don O'Neill

3:19 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Len,

MVF Committee membership requirements need to be more well understood by the MVF staff administering the staffing of these committees.

Dedicated residents need only to volunteer to serve on a committee where being a Village resident, having no architectural violations, and being current on assessments are the only prerequisites. The MVF Committee Application makes no mention of these essentials.

Instead, the MVF Committee Application asks an applicant for the following information departing the essential prerequisites:
1. Please outline your educational, profession or volunteer experience that particularly qualifies you for membership on the committee of your choice ( a resume may be attached):
2. Please explain briefly why you wish to serve on the particular committee for which you are applying for membership:

Again, what is needed to stimulate and reinvigorate volunteerism in Montgomery Village is to accentuate a policy for open committee membership coupled with the promise of an independent committee operation.

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Derek Hale

10:55 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013

LenGay,

You got your wish. The Village Foundation election results are:

Sharon Cranford: 3,942
Scott Dyer: 3,894
Elena Peterson: 3,074
Don O'Neill: 1,254

Sharon

12:16 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

And you tell me! Had that playground (and the children) really been of interest/priority, the Powers That Be could have made it happen. And the cost would have been pee compared to what was spent on that dock. Argument for that dock was it needed to be repaired. I would say they went way behind 'mere repair/renovation', wouldn't you! I'm thinking of moving in & making the dock 'my new home'! Hummm! God knows, when it is 'one of their pursuits or passions', they somehow always seem to persuade or 'manipulate' others to agree, come over to his or her side. Hummm! Too bad they aren't as 'passionate' about OUR children! Not the kids whose parents can afford those registration fees, baseball uniforms, shiny new cleats, etc. but the children whom MVF eases their conscience by providing a basket for donations @ the Apple Ridge Office!

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Sharon

4:22 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Just read #1 of Don O'Neill's last entry regarding essential prerequisites" "1. Please outline your educational, profession or volunteer experience that particularly qualifies you for membership on the committee of your choice ( a resume may be attached):"If that is truly required in order for a resident to volunteer, that is laughable! Maybe those wishing to donate their time should have a 'security clearance' as well. That might be more relevant! LOL!

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Sharon

4:41 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Gonna require kind/generous volunteers to jump through hoops/provide darn resume when there should be 'stricter standards' for those who are running for office? Criteria past & present (but apparently shoved under the rug long ago), before someone runs for office, should be whether or not those seeking office or in office are 'setting the right example'. Such example i.e. is when it comes to paying their 'own' MVF & HOA assessments rather than they themselves costing the Board legal fees (& penalizing their own neighbors because recouping legal costs can affect whether or not the rest of us are penalized with assessment increases) when their own payment delinquency has warranted MVF & HOA taking them to court. Those running for Boards should not have philosophy of 'do as I say; not as I do'. Discovering this situation in the past via research blew my mind!

Sharon

5:22 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Just started to chuckle when I thought of my last comment entry! Irony! One always had to be current on their assessments to have the 'privilege' of receiving their pool pass or 'privilege' to vote. But one (at least, in past) could run for office without same criteria. Now that's funny! I swear I'm gonna write a book & it's gonna be on the 'Best Sellers List' or, at least, in Ripley's Believe It or Not! LOL!

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Sharon

10:28 am on Sunday, March 3, 2013

Gee, Derek, we were still holding our breaths before the election for them to show up in our neighborhood. I knew I should have provided them 'directions' to this end of the Village. Hummm! Well, now that it has been determined that the 'Monarchy' is still intact, let's hope one of them steps up to the plate & the children are surprised by a playground this summer @ basically-barren, human-deserted Lake Whetstone. Will hold my breath yet again!

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